Monday, June 6, 2011

Obama and Infanticide

In posting an article about Florida Governor Rick Scott vetoing a five dollar test for Severe Combined Immunodeficiency Disease, which will mark untreated babies to death, my longtime friend Dan responded: “If it’s true, that’s bad. But as a Christian, how do you feel about this? Obama denies protection for infants of botched abortions.” He then quoted an article on about Obama voting against the Illinois Born Alive Infants Protection Act when he was a state senator. (The link to the Scott article and Dan’s full response are here.)

My local Christian station endorsed Rick Scott for governor in 2010, overtly stating that electing for him was the Christian way to vote. The truth is that a very real force of evil has been unleashed in the Florida governor’s mansion. Scott was John McCain’s campaign manager in 2008, and therefore in on the choice of Sarah Palin. Can you imagine if they’d won? He would be one of McCain’s closest advisors, and telling him to do all the evil he’s wreaking in Florida to the nation at large. Scott is also a criminal. His company perpetrated the largest Medicare fraud in history.

Regarding Obama’s vote against Illinois Born Alive Infants Protection Act, there is a more detailed explanation of it here on Obama and Infanticide. Go there and read the last sentence of the summary. There was already law in place protecting viable fetuses outside the womb. It was other language in the bill that Obama opposed, and he knew that voting against it would not put any further life in danger, because those legal protections were already in place. It would be like this: suppose someone proposed a bill saying: “California has become too liberal, therefore it is mandated by law that every man must have his penis chopped off. This bill also condemns Hitler for atrocities.” The bill would obviously get shot down in congress, then everyone who voted against it could be subjected to criticism for voting against a bill that denounced Hitler. is a lousy news source. It’s conservative wacko tabloid politics. Just the type of place to twist something this way.

As to the Christians, many of them are liars. I repeatedly hear polls saying that the majority of Christians have not and do not read the Bible; and since the only way to truly come to know Christ is by reading or listening to the word as it appears in the scriptures, so those know not of which they speak. Here are a few things the Bible says about infant death.

God knows what happens when infants die, and sometimes allows it. When he sent the ten plagues against Egypt, the last one was to smite the firstborn of every Egyptian household. God, the LORD, did that. And when Jesus was born, King Herod sent men to kill every child under two in Bethlehem. God did not withhold Herod’s hand, nor oppose it; instead an angel appeared to Joseph in a dream and told him to take Mary and the child into Egypt.

We know that few Christians would undergo abortion short of extreme circumstances, but would choose to raise a child unto God. Jesus also very clearly explained what happens to children who die. Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 18:10. And that is one way God mysteriously turns evil to good.

Abortion is a wedge issue. Legal ramifications in the United States have nothing to do with life or death; it is about the individual’s right to privacy. It is abused by politicians and others who want to exert influence over many who are, or think they are, or aspire to be Christian. Christ warned of the coming of wolves in sheep’s clothing, and such are these men and women.

Christ effectively summarized the entire Old Testament and distilled the heart of his teaching in a few simple verses: Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying: Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Matthew 22:35-40.

They would have you believe that Republicans are the party of Christ, but that is because they are wolves in sheep’s clothing. Inflicting Republican rule upon society at large is no way loving your neighbor as yourself; it is utter disregard of your neighbor, and oppression of the poor. They would take a granola bar out of the mouth of a hungry child, sell it for a dime, then deposit the money in GE or Exxon’s general fund. And if you look back throughout history, that is one of the Devil’s many nefarious methods of operation.

Hi Bob
Sorry it took so long to reply.
Where to begin . .

First, I’m a a registered independent, and have voted as such since I could vote. I guess addressing your statements one at a time seems practical. You’ve given me a lot to weigh in on. First, your assertion; “ Scott is also a criminal. His company perpetrated the largest Medicare fraud in history.” Again, if this can be substantiated (not to doubt you, but I like to know sources) then of course I agree it‘s reprehensible. I will just say that I don’t doubt it, and I don’t think it necessary to review the 30,000 differing opinions, blogs, and points of view on the subject, as it isn’t germane to the main topic, and hey, I ain’t got the time. Suffice it to say that we can come up with examples of serious/criminal abuse by members of both parties, (Gov. Spitzer, Charlie Rangel, etc.).

I visited enough sites re. Obama’s stance on this topic to get a rough sampling of the prevailing dialog. It’s far more difficult to find articles and info denying Obama’s pro-abortion/late-term abortion stance than it is to find those confirming it. Even the site you provided cites many examples of both sides of this controversy. Most of the pages I encountered do express an antagonistic view of the Prez,’s position; i.e. they maintain that he is supportive of “following through” with an abortion (terminating) of the fetus in cases of “botched abortions”. There are his positions during interviews and campaign speeches, and quotes and then there is his voting record:

1997: opposed bill preventing partial-birth abortion
In 1997, Obama voted in the Illinois Senate against SB 230, a bill designed to prevent partial-birth abortions. In the US Senate, Obama has consistently voted to expand embryonic stem cell research. He has voted against requiring minors who get out-of-state abortions to notify their parents. The National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL) gives Obama a 100% score on his pro-choice voting record in the Senate for 2005, 2006, and 2007.
Source: Obama Nation, by Jerome Corsi, p.238-239 Aug 1, 2008

Opposed legislation protecting born-alive failed abortions
Obama has consistently refused to support legislation that would define an infant who survives a late-term induced-labor abortion as a human being with the right to live. He insists that no restriction must ever be placed on the right of a mother to decide to abort her child.
On March 30, 2001, Obama was the only Illinois senator who rose to speak against a bill that would have protected babies who survived late term labor-induced abortion. Obama rose to object that if the bill passed, and a nine-month-old fetus survived a late-term labor-induced abortion was deemed to be a person who had a right to live, then the law would "forbid abortions to take place." Obama further explained the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment does not allow somebody to kill a child, so if the law deemed a child who survived a late-term labor-induced abortion had a right to live, "then this would be an anti-abortion statute."
Source: Obama Nation, by Jerome Corsi, p.238 Aug 1, 2008

Voting Record

Opposed born-alive treatment law because it was already law. (Oct 2008) Supports Roe v. Wade. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women. (May 2006)
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance. (Dec 2006)
Ensure access to and funding for contraception. (Feb 2007)

I also see incident after incident of the ACLU trying to route out Christianity from every facet of our lives. From schools to townships, to prayer in the military. I know they are not an officially pronounced arm of the left wing. But gimme a break. Just to illustrate: as soon as I started receiving my subscription to “The Nation”, in came the donation requests for the ACLU in my mailbox, phone calls, etc. which I have never received before.

I think JFK would be considered at the most a moderate democrat these days, if not a moderate republican. I know I’m not the first to suggest that. But one need only compare most of his policies to the modern day far-left democrats to see that. I consider myself far more aligned w/moderate democrats than those further left.

Also, I am as committed a Christian as you. I am glad to see you espouse Christian beliefs. We need more of that these days. Regarding your recent post that “true Christians abhor republicans”, my understanding of Christ’s teachings is that we should try to love one another, even our enemies, including our political ones.


Hi Dan,

First of all, I had no idea you are Christian. Fantastic.

Here's a couple links regarding Rick Scott. The fraud story is detailed here. He was the CEO of HCA, and several executives pled guilty to various charges, so either he knew full well about their shenanigans, or was an utterly incompetent CEO if such fraud was going on under his nose. Believe it, he knew. And here is a link to his deposition about the case. Note the smug, evasive answers. He's a lying piece of shit. This video's worth a quick look too. One last thing to know about Scott that speaks volumes: He was John McCain's campaign manager in 2008, and had to be in on the decision to choose Palin as the running mate.

Why are you reading Jerome Corsi? He is an extreme right wing partisan hack. He is a liar. To wit, his latest book is: Where's The Birth Certificate? The Case That Barack Obama Is Not Eligible To Be President. Obviously, all the time and effort he put into writing about that Fox manufactured (non) controversy was for nought. And yet he continues to pursue the issue as though it's somehow still relevant. Please. That's your go to guy about Barack Obama and abortion? His two bestselling books were criticized for inaccuracies; he plays fast and loose with the truth. That includes the one you cite, Obama Nation, so there's no saying whether the parts you cite are actually true.

Abortion is an awful thing. Truly abomination. Here is some of how I use the scriptures to view.

Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. Romans 4:15.

Nowhere is the law working wrath more evident than in America today. So from a legal standpoint, the abortion issue is not about life or death, but privacy. But you cannot take a child from God, only when He allows it. He allowed Herod to slaughter every child under two in Bethlehem after Jesus' birth, but he couldn't lay hands on that which belonged to God.

And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which He has given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. John 6:39


What's your beef with the ACLU? I've never had a problem with them. Prayer in school is the biggest bullshit non issue ever manufactured by self righteous 'Christians'. Why would a Christian teach his children to pray in school in the first place? Christ taught prayer in Matthew 6:5-13. Prayer is private, and Jesus instructed to go alone in your room and be with God, and that it is the hypocrites who publicly pray for show to be seen of one another. So it makes no sense to teach children that. They should be taught that they can pray whenever they like.

As to JFK, by the same token that six six six wicked wildebeast Reagan would be too moderate for many of today's Republicans.

As to them, the Bible instructs: abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. Romans 12:9

Can you name one good thing Republicans have done in our lifetime? One? There is none. Whether spilling oil or waging war or oppressing the poor, they and their works are evil. Praying for your enemies applies, but it is to purify your own heart with compassion.

Nor do I see how a true Christian could advocate what Republicans are doing in congress and governorships these days. Cutting programs like Women Infants and Children, and health services for women, and education, and calling teachers evil parasites...all despicable. The cuts to WIC are particualarly heinous. That is literally taking milk from the mouths of babes while defending and protecting Exxon and GE.

Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you; depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:21-23.

And if you read Matthew 23, pretty much the entire chapter, it is a condemnation of the Pharisees, Sadduccees and scribes, the ancient equivalent to today's fundamentalist, evangelical conservative Christian.

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